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  • Reonarudo 07:57 on 07/10/2012 Permalink | Reply  

    Don’t be stupid with lasers… 

    I was reading slashdot when I crossed this news from Ars Technica: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/10/laser-strikes-against-airplanes-now-an-epidemic-says-fbi/

    It is a fantastic police intervention!

    People like this are making a DIY life harder, they are not aware of what they are doing or maybe they are just jerks that deserve to be arrested.

    When holding a high powered laser you should always be aware of the danger of such item, don’t go pointing it to aircraft’s  you might be getting other people’s life at risk, it can damage sensor equipment, it disrupt sight during delicate operations and it is just plain wrong.

    For a hobbyist like me that has been using these lasers for some actual experiments its saddens me that this kind of things happen more often and might lead to greater restrictions to access this kind of items for my projects.

    There are so many cool projects with lasers, why the hell endanger other people and yourself this way? Please just stop people…

     
  • Reonarudo 13:26 on 06/08/2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Planning the first prototype 

     

    Hello,

    So the best way to get this done is the now getting ol’ motto fail fast, fail often.

    I started by drawing this 3D model that resembles ChaN’s design but closed encasing.

    Model

    It is slightly bigger than ChaN’s by 1.5 mm but that is not bad at all for a first iteration that will certainly be improved.

    This model is composed by 4 parts:

    Front cover

    Main cover

    Intermediary structure

    Back cover

    And this is how it should look everything together:

    How I hope in the end it will look like

    The four parts are assembled with some snap in features that I also hope won’t bring instability to the structure. Otherwise I will change it for a couple of screws running from one end do the other. The hole in the back part is where the cables will come from and there are also a couple of holes in part n.º 3 to pass the wires to the chamber in the back where the electrodes are.

    I  also added some removable supports where the coils sit to make it easy to replace them.

    Coil support structure

    Unfortunately I think this version has to many small details that I’m not sure the hackerspace prusa will be able to deal with but we will see during the week once I try printing it.

    I’ll upload these files to Thingiverse later as the first iteration but don’t expect it to be usable because I haven’t tested it yet since I still have to make the electrodes and I’m still thinking in some possible alternatives to ChaN’s approach on them.

    STLs

    Thingiverse link

     
    • Jonas O 00:57 on 17/09/2012 Permalink | Reply

      Hi!

      I’ve been looking into using UV-lasing for exposing presensitized PCBs, both by using standard 2-axis CNC and the use of galvos, as you’re getting into here.

      The obvious problem with using galvos is focus, you need a motorized optics, and preferably a special type of collimating lens (can’t remember specific name) to direct the focal point uniformly onto the PCB.
      So I settled with trying to making a generic RGB projector, using pre-made scanners – hoping to come back to custom built galvos when I have sufficient time and better knowledge of what I’m doing!

      Going back to the CNC method – before I invest more thought into it I’d love to have your opinion – would you recommend using paint/etch/acid or pre-sensitized PCB/etch/acid? Or to abandon the idea and revert to more…conventional methods?

      As a side note, I’m in the process of tuning the machine to be able to mill tracks directly. However, so many variables and microscopic error tolerances makes it slow – not impossible – to find a working setup.

      Awesome to read about your work. Thumbs up bigtime!

      //JonasO

      • Reonarudo 16:08 on 17/09/2012 Permalink | Reply

        Hi JonasO,
        If indeed you use specialised optics (like an F-theta lens) you actually don’t need motorized optics, they are 2 approaches to get the same result from what I understood.
        I’m using the custom galvos just to drop the price range to be able to use this fast technology otherwise if you have no specific interest in galvos just buy commercial ones on eBay or keep using linear movement CNC style for your goal.

        I would definitely recommend pre sensitized PCB/etch/acid its faster to get great results with the laser. The paint method was another attempt to reduce costs. Never abandon innovation ;)

        Yeap tolerances are pretty hard to deal with specially if your machine is using belts or materials that can have undesired elastic properties.
        I’ll be around if you have more questions.

  • Reonarudo 15:23 on 03/08/2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Galvanometers Homework 

    Hello,

    Before cotinuing with this project we should first fully understand what are we about to build. What is a Galvanometer?

    First lets start with Wikipedia that has the following information about modern galvos: “Galvanometer mechanisms are divided into moving magnet and moving coil galvanometers; in addition, they are divided into closed-loop and open-loop - or resonant - types”. So we know we are going to build a moving magnet galvo, what about this loop thing? Well this is better explained by ChaN.

    Graph of Galvos response given by ChaN

    So “open-loop galvo’s shaft is held with a torsion-rod spring” this means that the shaft will swing back and forth to find a stable position because of the spring this makes the shaft reach its destiny much later and wastes more energy with the resonance.

    Closed-loop galvos relay on the feed back to be aware of the current position not needing the spring mechanism for stabilization but require more sensing electronics to control it.

     

    Now we know we are building a magnet moving closed-loop galvanometer. Lets see what is available from a couple of commercial sources and their characteristics:

    CamTech.com

    EdmundOptics

    They are super fast and super expensive!!! So acquiring galvanometers from such companies would be a direct NO for me just because of the price. Let’s see how far we can get with our DIY galvos.

    We can notice that they usually are cylindrical instead of parallelepiped like ChaN’s and the one we are building so I am wondering how they distribute the coil inside. I found this web site with some explanations and pictures but noting indicating how they use a cylindrical coil.

    The magnets that I ordered are bigger than I expected so I think it will be hard to get a smaller galvo than ChaN’s.

    Something that I will probably have to change before the next iteration is the shaft material so something more rigid like ChaN’s since the rod I have has some flexibility that can give us some oscillation, but lets test it like this for now and see the results since the space where the rod can oscillate will be very limited.

    I’ll start printing some galvo cases to start assembling the first prototypes and I will post the 3D models here soon.

     
  • Reonarudo 16:26 on 30/07/2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Lasers are Pweety! Lets move them! 

    Hello,

    It has been a long while… In the mean time I have been busy with changing countries, colleges… life in general…

    Quite recently I lost every mean I had to take photos so this post doesn’t have any image that is mine but all the merit goes to their creators/owners. Now to the next hack/build/project.

    Everyone that knows me knows that I like lasers. Lasers are way too cool and dangerous not to like them ;)

    I have this beautiful 445nm 1W laser that I showed you in the older posts and now I want to control to draw light shapes for other projects, so I started searching for ways to control lasers properly.

    One of the ways is like I tried before with my old RepRap Mendel moving the X and Y axis. Unfortunately I don’t have access to it now and it had some structural problems that made it imprecise.

    Another way to do it it to control the reflection angle of the lasers in 2 mirrors for X and Y. This method is much faster and is the one used in most laser applications that don’t require big actuation areas.

    For now I just want to be able to control it and get the desired 2D shapes independently of scale so I will try this mirror angle thingy… I noticed that someone tried to use this technic for a laser sinterer(that is one of my intended uses) by using stepper motors, but I would say the results fall short from my expectations. Another way to approach this is by using Galvos instead of steppers motors, these are high speed motors that have very little torque. There is an “old” fantastic project on how to build one by ChaN.

    ChaN’s build results look fantastic so I decided to go his way and try to step it up a notch with nowadays more readily available resources.

    The next posts will show my developments and hopefully good results in developing 2 (X & Y) galvos to control a laser with great speed and accuracy.

    The first step is figuring out what can be improved. This is ChaN’s Galvo:

    It looks a bit rough but it actually has some pretty good results. It is also very small 4 cm long and this is important because these motors have almost no torque but really high speed this makes the weight of the shaft one of the most crucial parameters that we should try to improve.

    Number 4 is his shaft:

    It is made of a carbon steel shaft is got from another motor and in the center a magnet bonded and later shaped with a grinder. The carbon steel insures some stability that I will try to discard since I’m going to try to build it even smaller and lighter so my choice went for a carbon pipe from Conrad (The thing is stronger than it looks). For the magnet I got my hands in some of these tube magnets (Magnetized across the diameter).

    Before I start putting things together I’ll make a 3D model of my goal and use it to print a case for the motor instead of  building in the prototyping board ChaN used and that will be my next post that will be coming still this week (maybe even tomorrow).

    Side note: as I was searching for the items to use in this project I noticed that they are available in smaller sizes both the magnet and the rod so I set as a goal to make it even smaller in a future iteration.

     

     
    • Daniel 21:34 on 10/08/2012 Permalink | Reply

      Hi,

      It’s a very cool idea but why reinvent the wheel? You can get galvanometers and amplifiers for lasershows that are far superior to the Chan projekt for a very low sum on ebay! It is a builing challenge of course and I bet one learns a lot from it but if you want the actual results from the scanning go for rady made units! I almost went down this road five years ago whe I got into lasershows but luckily I found some chinese galvos on ebay…
      Anyway, good luck with your project!

      • Reonarudo 21:44 on 10/08/2012 Permalink | Reply

        I own some chinese galvos myself. But I moved and didn’t bring them with me and I don’t have money to keep buying galvos.
        So…
        1- It’s cool;
        2- Cheap;
        3- Entertaining;
        4- Educative.

        And these are not galvanometers to be used in a laser show ;)

  • Reonarudo 18:46 on 04/05/2011 Permalink | Reply
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    Acidifying it… 

    Hello,

    I’ve been really busy lately so thats why I haven’t posted as much.
    jheissjr made me notice that with so many experiments I didn’t actually etch any copper and that there was the possibility that the paint left some kind of residue that would prevent the copper from being etched.
    “Some people suggested residue is left on the copper after burning which prevents the copper from being etched.”
    So I grabbed on of my failed boards with the etched paint by the laser and threw it on the acid.

    So this was the result:

    I didn’t clean up the paint very well and some got into the etched tracks so here is a close up so you can see that it was really etched :)

    *EDIT*
    My flickr plugin broke with an update so I had to fix the pictures hope. Hope every thing is correct now :)

     
    • JL Arnal 17:53 on 22/01/2012 Permalink | Reply

      Hello !

      Nice work, but there’s something I don’t quite understand : you’re not using UV-sensitive varnish for your laser etchings, right ? So why bother keeping the KTP crystal of your laser, since you don’t need any UV component in its output ? Your laser seems powerful enough, but using the frequency doubler makes it waste 80% of its effective output power, lost in crystal parasitic heating and OC losses.
      And since even a cheap cell phone camera can make the IR spot visible, there wouldn’t be any trouble focusing the formentioned IR beam .

      What do you think ? ^w^

      • Reonarudo 04:23 on 24/01/2012 Permalink | Reply

        This is a laser diode and to tamper with anything I would have to damage the casing and risk to damage it. There is no reason in using that wavelength it was just the best power/price laser diode I found. For this experiment the wavelength doesn’t mater since I use a black paint but in other cases you should take into account if the target material will absorb the wavelength your are using.

    • kenwshmt 23:15 on 08/02/2012 Permalink | Reply

      I like your work.
      I am tinkering with making a mount similar in function to what you have on that one for a printrbot, which is a Mendel variation. on the side of the printer head.
      can I ask a few basic questions? you are a year furtur along in this than I am.
      http://www.printrbottalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=162

      • Reonarudo 13:28 on 09/02/2012 Permalink | Reply

        Sure you can ask anything. My laser experiments have diverged from laser engraving to sintering. Some posts on that might come soon.

    • kenwshmt 02:17 on 10/02/2012 Permalink | Reply

      I’m exploring the sintering as well. I’m trying for basic cutting for papercraft and to have it on the head all the time. How did you get the power to switch from the computer? opticoupler? relay?. and what are you using for the laser power supply? I’ve gotten a cheap 1 watt IR in the same casing as you have, but I’m not going to power it until I’m certain I won’t burn it out. the specs on a printrbot control board haven’t been released,so i cant design for that yet.. but what did you do for yours for computer control?.. As terse or concise as you like, I’m still 2 months from having anything to attach it to. :P

      • Reonarudo 13:58 on 10/02/2012 Permalink | Reply

        What I use for control is a normal GCode generator that you can read about in some older post. The power comes from the Gen6 board where I use the extruder heating connector (12V) to power the laser and the laser power circuit is also mention in another another post but now I know there are much better (healthier for the diode) approaches but I haven’t tried them yet.
        “I’m still 2 months from having anything to attach it to”
        I know the feeling… too well unfortunately… I would recommend to look into laser diode powering circuits now and after you understand them use one that fits your needs or design your own if you feel capable of and give if a simple on/off signal interface so you can connected it easily with any controlling board. Don’t depend on the printrbot control board because it might not be enough for you needs hence do something the most generic you can.
        I’m interested in knowing how is your sintering development, do you have any information about your approach?

    • kenwshmt 13:55 on 11/02/2012 Permalink | Reply

      I’ve been wondering: if a layer or two is printed normally, then the laser runs around the outside line of the extrusion, does it affect the finishing at all? it might be an (impractical) way of doing some on the machine post processing. I’m curious what it looks like, or if it works at all. it might be useful to control the cooling of any particular piece of printing, though natural hinges need faster cooling not slower.

      • Reonarudo 15:58 on 11/02/2012 Permalink | Reply

        I’m not sure I understood the context.
        If the laser runs outside where he should be it should be turned off, there is no reason to keep it on the effort to control this is so minimal that it should be done and keep quality even if the decrease in quality would be insignificant. During print you should actually increase temperature so the fusing point is reached faster. Hinges?
        I hope my answers helped because I really am not sure of the context here. Cutting? Sintering? FDM?

    • kenwshmt 17:46 on 11/02/2012 Permalink | Reply

      just wondering about using the laser for modifying an existing print as its being made. as in, it may be usable for insuring internal holes and edges are sharp in what would be an enclosed object when its finished printing. if its on the head, might as well put it to use.

      • Reonarudo 18:05 on 11/02/2012 Permalink | Reply

        I don’t believe it would work very well. Maybe melting the external surface to look more smooth but I’m not sure how that can be achieved. Usually a well calibrated printer won’t have problems insuring holes and if we would use a laser for that it would need a really high angle focus so it would only modify the desired layer. Anyways even if I say that its unlikely the best way is to try it for yourself. ;) Don’t forget to have printing material into account.

    • kenwshmt 08:06 on 09/09/2012 Permalink | Reply

      http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:30064

      Thanks for the inspiration.
      All I need to do now is make a 12 volt to low TTL signal adaptor to use the fan line for on / off control.

      • Reonarudo 13:55 on 09/09/2012 Permalink | Reply

        A pleasure. I’m building a printrbot myself so this will be a nice addition. :)

        what electronics are you using?

        • kenwshmt 15:02 on 09/09/2012 Permalink | Reply

          I haven’t made the control adapter for it yet, but I will optocouple off the fan power line. I’m not using any power from the printrboard. The Laser came with a driver board and heat sink which has TTL control.

  • Reonarudo 01:17 on 12/02/2011 Permalink | Reply
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    Trying to fix precision… 

    Hello,

    This time I’m just trying to fix the machine so it can output properly the models.

    If you have read the previous post you know that I’m having problems with circles. From what I have read on the net the problem is called backlash. Other people had the same problem in the past. One of the solutions is to tight the belts but if you have read the previous posts you know I already did this and when I rotate the gear manually the carriage responds accordingly.

    So to start I got someway to debug the thing several concentrical circles:

    And it came out like this:

    Ok this definitely shows the problem with circles…

    I lubricated the bearings and the X axis smooth rods to diminish the friction as suggested by nophead in the reprap forum.

    The result didn’t change at all. This can be because the problem in on the Y axis or it is something else on the X axis like the gears not fitting properly with the belt. I haven’t replaced the old gears that are glued with hot glue yet  so if the problem is from this I have a good solution now that I have replacements.

    This was the result of the lubricated X axis on a red tape.

    In this picture is clearly visible that circles are broken in the top  suggesting that there is at least one problem in the X axis and that I will probably have to change the gear that I’m using or increase the motor current.

    I tried everything and printed several tests none of them produced any diferences in the result.

    And now after a day of tests I present all my tests results and an acceptable end result (nº 15). :)

    Conclusion: The X axis is pretty sensible and the Y axis belt has its teeth against bearings and that causes variations in tension while printing it should be revised. For the X axis I basically remount it having attention to every little detail and check if the Z axis is correct and not interfering with the X axis. So after all this testing it is time to re etch the circuit…

    So it was a good improvement and the circuit was almost usable, but I guess my mendel X axis isn’t good enough. Maybe someone out there in the community can shed some ideas how to improve this because I’m out of them. :(

    I’d probably only get better results with a completely new X axis and for that to happen I have to receive my hot-ends first…

     
    • Ken Jenkins 20:46 on 08/06/2012 Permalink | Reply

      I read a write up on what you are doing over on hack-a-day. I’m interested in the process. I have a commercial laser system so that part of it and the “motion control issues” are not a problem. I’m not exactly clear about the process you are using. ie. are you “getting rid of the non-trace copper by oblating it with the laser” or are you “getting rid of the black paint in the non-trace area so that the etchant can eat the copper in a second step.” Thanks. Very interesting approach.

      • Reonarudo 21:43 on 08/06/2012 Permalink | Reply

        Exactly. The laser oblates the paint where I want the etchant to reach, it is faster if you only oblate the outline of the traces.

  • Reonarudo 03:43 on 09/02/2011 Permalink | Reply
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    Round 3 

    Hi,

    I’m still waiting for my hot end parts to arrive. But at least I got new pulleys for free at AltLab :) I’m sure my mendel will appreciate them.

    Today I regenerated the GCode with CAD.PY with new settings:

    After that I had to edit the GCode manually in a text editor so that the mendel can use it to make the etching.

    After all the editing I load it up in Repsnapper that gave me a nice preview of what it would be done.

    I added 3 cooling fans to the mendel (it can almost fly now :D ) to keep the circuit and the laser cool and it seems it worked. Ate least this time it didn’t auto destruct from the laser heating and helps keeping the smoke away from the lens.

    Here is a clip of the machine working

    Circuit etching with laser on reprap mendel

    The results where quite promising but it seems the mendel still needs calibration.

    As you can see in the bottom there are some tracks that are suposed to be round connected to a via but they came out all distorted and still have no idea how to correct this. If you know anything or think of anything that can help please drop a line in the comments. Also I obviously made the tracks to thick but that is easily correctable in cad.py.

    bill2or3 from the RepRap IRC Channel sugest that I use a heated bed it seemed a good idea and I implemented it but I don’t know why it suddenly stopped heating and I gave up on it for now.

    I don’t think I’ll drop this iteration on the acid yet but probably the next one who knows. ;)

     
  • Reonarudo 00:18 on 02/02/2011 Permalink | Reply
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    Round 2 

    Hello every one who has been following my short adventure to build a self replicating robot able to kil humans with lasers, hmm, oh forget that last bit…

    Ok, I have a very limited number of PCBs available for tests so I had to wash the paint of the previous PCB with acetone. It came out very easily.

    This time the paint coat came out a little bit more uniform than the first time. Maybe I should try some graffiti art next time :D .

    I modified the cad.py setting to completely fill the outer part of the tracks. This would be a lot slower but it would increase the number of things tested to guarantee that I cover all the bases.

    So I sent the board under the laser one more time and this time it was much slower. As a consequence the laser and the driver heated a lot more, that is definitely not good and I had to interrupt the print.

    I tried to improvise a fan with a CD and a motor but it just came to be an epic fail and I ended with a cut in the tip of my finger from the improvised blade.

    So I packed the LM317 from the driver circuit with a bunch of dissipators and hoped for the best…

    Ok I crossed my fingers and tried to print again.

    I t was working… for about 15min (I wasn’t counting) then the hot glue that was holding the laser melted from the heat.

    Even so in that short time I got improvements! The laser etched the paint and reached the copper :D .

    It is not very perceptible in the photo maybe check the flickr if you can’t see the copper.

    I HAZ COPPER!

    I definitely have to get a PC fan to cool things down or else I will not be able to continue development. But today’s results are very promising.

    It’s good that I can’t go much further right now because I have to study for a final exam that I have thursday.

    Stay tunned.

     
  • Reonarudo 01:01 on 01/02/2011 Permalink | Reply
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    PCB laser etching round 1 

    Hello and welcome,

    This time for something more interesting. Yesterday I started my PCB laser etching tests as Casainho requested.

    First I started by spraying the PCB with a random Black Spray Paint I got from the local Supermarket. It could have been red since red doesn’t reflect blue but the black one was cheaper. Attention this is a matte black! We don’t want our laser beams shining everywhere.

    I painted the PCB and it didn’t look great, it had some cotton in one of the corners and some bubbles, but it looked awesome for the first time I ever used a spray paint :D .

    For the laser etching I had been using comercial software and that wasn’t very Reprap like so I found CAD.PY this software that is used by some other people in the 3D Printing community to etch PCBs and it was perfect for this application. After some tries I managed to generate a usable. First I had to change the units to mm and cad.py is in inches so I asked my friend Google what value should I use. The rest of the parameters I used the same logic and some experimentation then after generating the GCode I still had to change it manually to have in account that we are using a laser and since the laser is connected to the hotend heat I just had to change Z changes for M104 commands to turn on and off the laser.

    First try to laser etch pcb #1

    It looked great working, unfortunatly as usual I had some problems that messed up the etching completly.

    The axis belts where to loose and lhe lines ended very fine but they where all wrong and wobbly.

    I did something wrong in the GCode because the laser was moving to fast and it wasn’t getting deep enough to reach the PCB in most of the circuit.

    I hope to have better news in the next post. Stay tunned ;)

     
  • Reonarudo 05:45 on 31/01/2011 Permalink | Reply
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    The rise and fall of an Extruder and its replacement… 

    So after doing some experiments with the laser and the Reprap mendel I posted the video to YouTube to share with some friends that are into 3D Printing and such. Eventually Casainho found the video and asked for some explanations of what was happening. I promptly explained to him my setup and he told me about his project of etching PCBs with a laser and Reprap. So I agreed to make some experiments for him since he didn’t have access to the equipment necessary to replicate my setup.

    One of the goals was to get 0.25mm tracks for some solder mounted chips so I tried several laser focus distances until I got one that looked really precise and made this:

    It wasn’t perfect but it was a good start.

    I tried a lasing some permanent pen ink on a PCB but didn’t get any results.

    After that I tried paper again this time I changed the speed os the laser passes and got really nice results:

    After theses tests I got the parts for my extruder and halted immediately the laser tests to build it.

    I had to drill 2 extra holes on it so I could fit the PEEK block on it since it was smaller.

    Yet one thing was missing the aluminium block, the power resistor that would heat the hot end and the thermistor. I was so nervous and wanted to print so badly that I used some nicrome wire that I had and a rather large 100k thermistor that I had around and started the machine to maque some prints. The first thing to do was to choose what to print. But that one was easy, it would be some gears since mine where slipping and where hot glued to gain some friction to the motor. After that I just had to wait for the thing to heat up and start printing.

    That was when something strange started to happen and the demise that was upon me started to reveal it self. First I was using PLA and was sure that the temperature reading was between 180ºC and 200ºC (don’t EVER trust big thermistor readings) but the plastic came out full of bubbles and it was making smoke rings (yea WTF…) some one on the IRC channel told me I had my Temperature to high, but for me that was preposterous my readings at the time where at 170ºC. I checked if it was jammed or something like that but it didn’t seem so.

    Hot end eminent failure…

    At that time the harm was done and I only found out the full extent of the damages after I disassembled the extruder and inspected the hot end. The PEEK partially melted. the plastic was flowing between the PTFE and the metal and they where really tight everything when bananas… I tried to fix it somehow with PTFE tape but it didn’t work, even after I gor the block the resistor and the thermistor it didn’t work. It starteed extruding correctly for 3 seconds then stopped, I pulled the filament out tried again and it was the same thing over an hour… My first big Reprap failure…

    So after my demised I rendered myself to laser engraving…

    At least until my replacements arrive.

     
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